DavidWinter said:
Yes but communities don't want the sound of buzzing two stroke model airplanes. That's why any fuel powered airfields are being forced further and further away. And as cities and communities expand close to fuel model airfields, those airfields get pushed away. That is one of the reasons it's so difficult to find places to fly them.
I don't know where your flying but most fields here already have ample sound restrictions.
This has never been a real problem or cited as such on the myriad of fields I've been to.
Again, it's not difficult to find a place to fly, but your area may be different.
This doesn't mean that the dearth of locales for you translates to the same for everyone else.
DavidWinter said:
Expensive? Hmm okay, GWS model airplane, in the air, under $50 dollars (assumes you own the radio which you need for fuel anyway). Hmm yeah.. pricey. Scratch built electric, in the air, for for oh.. $15. (again, assumes radio already there).
Oh, come on.
You are citing prices for park flyers not decent sized typical R/C planes.
This is specious. Try citing typical electrification prices for a .90 sized plane or above for a real comparison. Can we say 400.00 in a single battery pack alone?
DavidWinter said:
A $25 battery pack will last unlimited flights if maintained properly.
A typical LiPo pack is hardly unlimited. You are lucky to get 50 flights out of a pack that is drawn at 2C rates due to the internal breakdown of chemicals.
Even 50 can be pushing it with higher draws.
DavidWinter said:
How long does $25 worth of fuel last? wait and wait for charging? My battery packs are fully charged in about 15 minutes.
Maybe for a small park flyer, but I don't have to wait at all.
That 25.00 worth of fuel goes far longer than the price of an equivalent amount of energy in a battery pack required to power a typical .40 - .50 plane.
The price of those batteries buys me many cases of glow fuel, which is not quite as prone to self combustion as the LiPo's.
DavidWinter said:
You've probably spent that long trying to get your engine started and tuned properly so it doesn't stall.
Really? One flip is longer?
It takes me longer to hook up those poorly designed electric connections.
Why don't they ever bother putting a switch and charging receptacle in the kits and ARF's?
DavidWinter said:
The ONLY reason I got back into airplanes is due to the quantum leap in electric abilities. If you don't think you can get performance out of electrics, you're still living in 1985.
You haven't tried modern glow engines since then it appears.
You would be amazed at how improved they are.
I know I was, when I compare the hassles of glow power in the 60's, 70's, 80's, etc. to what is available now.
All that screwing around is a thing of the past.
DavidWinter said:
I purchased RF for the purpose of re-teaching myself to fly. Unfortunately, the vast majority of models are fuel. And the electrics in the sim do not perform at all like a real electric does.
The electrics I have and have tried fly very close to the sim, especially those in the Expansion Pack 1.
You should point out the differences so those of us so inclined can attempt to fix the dissimiliarities though.
Specificity helps a lot, e.g. it doesn't roll enough, it pitches down at throttle up and it shouldn't etc.
(I have a personal pet peeve against those who make "it isn't realistic" claims w/o also saying WHAT they find wrong with particular models. Doing so is non-constructive and often a misperception to something they do not fully understand.)
DavidWinter said:
yes, I could probably spend hours and hours in the editor fiddling with the settings to get something close. But when I spend close to $300 for the package, I expect it "real" out of the box..
Please cite, what is lacking.
I find it "real" out of the box for the most (with exceptions) of the models I fly... but there is no doubt that some may need tweaking, especially those "add-ons" which were created for G2, not G3.
I don't know, I can forgive KE if their backward compatibility attempt is not perfect.
DavidWinter said:
And by the way, I have asked hobby shop owners about this. The Answer? "The municipality no longer allows fuel models to be flown.
Have you seen a law enacted specifying this limitation?
I doubt it.
Rather this is a perception to the loss of a local airfield.
The same encrochement that growth brings to the glows, applies to the electrics as well.
Unless you are flying the micros... in which case things get worst!
The small planes are often more difficult to fly, as there are no airfields or set locations that permit their use.
Were it not for my local "glow" oriented fields I'd only be able to fly my small electrics on private property, like someone's farm...
... much as you said for the glow planes.
Thanks to the tolerance of my glow field, I can fly my Brio 10, E-Flite Ultimate, etc.
DavidWinter said:
People don't want to drive for an hour to get to an air field. So, they buy electrics and can fly them at the soccer fields on Sundays."
That will pass unfortunately. You'll loose that soccer field very soon.
Some idiot will believe that the small planes are pose some sort of danger and you'll be back to the above scenario.
I don't wish it on you, but I've seen it happen time and again.
Thanks to the wonderful world of useless litigation the small GWS electrics you enjoy now, are often targets for the courts.... if not targets for idiots with guns.
The only protections against this are those RC clubs with airfields.
