Windows Mixed Reality - Samsung HMD Odyssey first look
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Yah makes no sense.
Owning both a Oculus and Samsung MR HMD, the Samsung is hands down the winner for me. And now I'm playing other games with it and I find I prefer it over Oculus overall.
Here's a nice review of the Samsung set where I pretty much agree on all points
https://youtu.be/asC-Axnjk9Q
Owning both a Oculus and Samsung MR HMD, the Samsung is hands down the winner for me. And now I'm playing other games with it and I find I prefer it over Oculus overall.
Here's a nice review of the Samsung set where I pretty much agree on all points
https://youtu.be/asC-Axnjk9Q
Stringfellow
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Ryan said he tried the Oculus thru OpenVR, which is how RF8 works on Vive... and now Odyssey. He said going thru OpenVR imposes a performance hit with no gain. (can't find the quote now)
... Maybe this is the reason behind the poor performance in RF8?
I still can't get my Odyssey to work. No progress.
On the other hand, I'm really enjoying my Rift. Just got the Smooth Locomotion mod for Robo Recall and that was just the element it needed to make it one helluva gaming experience! Happily I find I'm not susceptible to any sort of motion sickness. Been flying fast drones & planes in RF8 cockpit mode and chase mode... turning, banking, looping, rolling... all no problem
... Maybe this is the reason behind the poor performance in RF8?
I still can't get my Odyssey to work. No progress.
On the other hand, I'm really enjoying my Rift. Just got the Smooth Locomotion mod for Robo Recall and that was just the element it needed to make it one helluva gaming experience! Happily I find I'm not susceptible to any sort of motion sickness. Been flying fast drones & planes in RF8 cockpit mode and chase mode... turning, banking, looping, rolling... all no problem
Stringfellow
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Have decided to return my Samsung Odyssey. Cannot get it to work on my pc. Had my computer guru working on it for 2 hours... no joy.
I couldn't get video to work until I stopped using the HDMI 2.0 port on my laptop. Instead I bought the Accell USB-C to HDMI adapter and connected the headset through this instead. Works perfect.
Prob some driver bugs still.
Stringfellow
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I thought the dumb thing REQUIRED an HDMI 2.0 ???
I had it plugged into my graphics card... an MSI 1070 which has an HDMI 2.0.
Ah well, it's returned now. Also tried one in the Microsoft Store and prefer the Oculus.
- MUCH superior Touch controlers
- Bigger sweet spot on the display
- Only a marginal difference is noticable in resolution and only at the center
This brand new "NextGen" Odyssey really has no clear advantage, and several inferiorities compared to the 2 year old Rift.
Yes it does, but some driver bug makes WindowsMR not work with my HDMI port. I found a work around though until it's fixed.
I own the Oculus also, but I feel the opposite of you. I like the Odyssey a lot better. The resolution makes a big impact for me on sim, and the Samsung controllers (which are different vs the other WinMR) feel great (edge is with the Oculus ergonomics). Tracking has actually been great and my Oculus has been collecting dust. Mainly using the Oculus to play some of the Oculus games already purchased.
Stringfellow
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So you had to adapt the Odyssey's HDMI-male to a tiny little phone jack USB-C... and then back again to HDMI to plug into your card? Or does your card actually have a USB-C female jack?
Also, you mentioned some poor performance with RF8... were you able to improve it any?
Hey String, thanks, I guess I will order up one soon, I see they have a 2o dollar rebate too now.
curious to know how the VR is!
I'm using a Asus Zephyrus laptop that has a HDMI 2.0 port and a USB-C port. Normally I plug the VR into the HDMI port, and my monitor in the USB-C port directly. But the Samsung video won't start for some reason on the HDMI port. I did for a short while, but some driver bug is messing with it.
So I bought an Accell USB-C to HDMI 2.0 adapter for $20 and it just works perfectly. So for now this is how I am running it.
RF8 graphics performance through OpenVr steam is really poor on the Odyssey. So I gave up and just fly Next right now which has VR support. Performance is so goo I can set supersample to 4x and the rendering at a distance is pretty awesome. My flight envelope is _very_ good. Way better on the Odyssey wth super sample 4x vs Occulus running RF8 at high quality.
HP mixed reality headset
I now have a HP mixed reality headset to compare with the Oculus (The HP headsets seem to be available on Ebay for about 1/2 retail, the Samsung headset is not available in the UK). I have access to two machines, my conclusions for the HP;
Intel I7 6700k, GTX 1070
RF8 requires the shadows to be at minimum settings in 'flight school', but once clear of the ground I get 90fps most of the time (Synergy 766). The photo fields give 90fps more consistently.
Ryzen 1700x , GTX 1080ti
RF8 even with the shadows and other graphics reduced struggles in the 'flight school field', too annoying to be useable. just ok in the photo fields. Clearly only using one core and not running as efficiently as on the I7.
Even though the HP headset is only 1440p per eye, and the picture is not as vivid as the Oculus (LCD vs OLED), I find myself preferring the extra resolution of the HP over the Oculus for RC sim flying. I thought that the LCD would show trails on the heli from the higher latency of the LCD screen but I have not noticed anything .
I now have a HP mixed reality headset to compare with the Oculus (The HP headsets seem to be available on Ebay for about 1/2 retail, the Samsung headset is not available in the UK). I have access to two machines, my conclusions for the HP;
Intel I7 6700k, GTX 1070
RF8 requires the shadows to be at minimum settings in 'flight school', but once clear of the ground I get 90fps most of the time (Synergy 766). The photo fields give 90fps more consistently.
Ryzen 1700x , GTX 1080ti
RF8 even with the shadows and other graphics reduced struggles in the 'flight school field', too annoying to be useable. just ok in the photo fields. Clearly only using one core and not running as efficiently as on the I7.
Even though the HP headset is only 1440p per eye, and the picture is not as vivid as the Oculus (LCD vs OLED), I find myself preferring the extra resolution of the HP over the Oculus for RC sim flying. I thought that the LCD would show trails on the heli from the higher latency of the LCD screen but I have not noticed anything .
I got it to work with my new Lenovo Y720 laptop and Lenovo Explorer VR Headset thanks to your instructions. Thanks for sharing. I am amazed how cool this is.
Hi guys
Playing with RF8 and a HP Windows mixed reality headset that I got free with a new razer blade laptop and have steam installed and am able to fire up RF8 though get an error saying that the RealFlight and VR are attempting to use different graphics adapters. The laptop has an intel video card driving the panel and a GTX 1060 for the HDMI that the headset is plugged into.
Did anyone come across the same issue when using a laptop and if so, any pointers on getting RF8 to start?
Cheers
Playing with RF8 and a HP Windows mixed reality headset that I got free with a new razer blade laptop and have steam installed and am able to fire up RF8 though get an error saying that the RealFlight and VR are attempting to use different graphics adapters. The laptop has an intel video card driving the panel and a GTX 1060 for the HDMI that the headset is plugged into.
Did anyone come across the same issue when using a laptop and if so, any pointers on getting RF8 to start?
Cheers
I found the issue, needed to set realflight.exe to use the NVIDIA processor in the NVIDIA control panel > Manage 3D Settings > Program Settings.
Mate, you are a lifesaver. I had exactly the same issue today with my new Alienware 17 R4 laptop / Dell Visor WMR headset combo (after Xmas sale from our local aussie Microsoft Store). After following your advice I finally got it working fine. Many thanks mate.
I'm still fine tuning settings but I seem to be able to get 80-90 fps in simple 3D fields (like castle and ranch) if I knock off all the scenery items (in the view menu). If I add them all back in I'm down to 45-55 fps on the ground (or close to scenery things) and ~70-80 fps when I get further away from these items.
Not bad performance for a laptop. Main specs are i7 7700hk (2.8 ghz), 32gb memory, gtx 1060, 250gb ssd and 1tb hd.
If I get hooked on VR I'll probably look for a better video card. Alienware offers a graphics amplifier box that allows you to add a full sized video card which can bypass the on-board card. Lots more VR learning for me before that though.
Cheers and Happy 2018!
I'm really enjoying RF8 VR (and other VR games) with my Dell Windows Mixed Reality headset and my fairly new (+ 1 month old) Alienware 17 R4 VR-ready laptop (i7-7700hk @ 2.8, gtx1060, 32gb ram, 256gb ssd, 1tb hd).
Based on onthesnap's recommendation I tried the next rc flight sim but I found that this looked more like a bit higher resolution RF8 photo field. I'm not sure but I don't think it is a true 3d field (no cockpit view that I could find).
Using Steam VR with WMR seems to allow you to select super-sampling. I found I just needed to select the top left corner of the steamvr window that starts up when you initiate steam for windows and select settings/developer. There you can select any super-sampling you want. After that, you should restart your program.
I believe that the latest steamvr SS settings are quite a lot higher than the original ones so you need to play with these a bt if you want max FPS's. I actually found that using 0.8 SS gave me the best results with my PC.
Based on onthesnap's recommendation I tried the next rc flight sim but I found that this looked more like a bit higher resolution RF8 photo field. I'm not sure but I don't think it is a true 3d field (no cockpit view that I could find).
Using Steam VR with WMR seems to allow you to select super-sampling. I found I just needed to select the top left corner of the steamvr window that starts up when you initiate steam for windows and select settings/developer. There you can select any super-sampling you want. After that, you should restart your program.
I believe that the latest steamvr SS settings are quite a lot higher than the original ones so you need to play with these a bt if you want max FPS's. I actually found that using 0.8 SS gave me the best results with my PC.
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